Show Responses In Feed Please

2019-01-10T04:30:26.000Z Honest Cash

Today I learned that there is no longer a limit on when posts/responses can be edited!  Great!  

The reason that I learned about this improvement is because I happened to check out @adrianbarwicki's profile where I saw his response to this post.  

The thing is, even though I follow Adrian, his response wasn't in my feed.  I don't see any responses in my feed.  

I'd really like to see responses in my feed.  After all, each response is essentially its own post.  As Adrian's response has proved, sometimes responses can contain very useful information.  

Just how important is it for me to be able to see responses in my feed?  That's a really good question, which is why my #1 request is to be able to spend money on my own posts/responses.

Responses


RE: Show Responses In Feed Please

by @honest_cash

With the latest update your feed consists of:

  • Stories from profiles you follow

  • Responses from profiles you follow

  • Stories and responses upvoted by the profiles you follow

Thank you for being an active member of the Honest community!


RE: RE: Show Responses In Feed Please

by @AsashoryuMaryBerry

Right now I'm seeing everything EXCEPT "Stories from profiles you follow", please fix.

EDIT: disregard the above point, I got confused by the avalance of content in the feed. You shouldn't show me posts I've already seen (because I follow the author) whenever someone else I follow upvotes them later.

I also want an option to not see the other two things, "Responses from profiles you follow" and "Stories and responses upvoted by the profiles you follow".


RE: Show Responses In Feed Please

by @anarchovegan

Why not as a notification in a "replies" or "comments" section?

I'd rather not have the replies cluttering up my feed.

That's one thing that Weku does very, very well, just like steemit.


RE: RE: Show Responses In Feed Please

by @Xerographica

Right now my feed is… sparse.  When I look at the profiles of the people that I follow it is generally the case that at least some of their responses are of interest to me.  This is how I found some new people to follow.  Actually, I think that I found you by reading some of the responses on ridedonkeys' profile.  

Many of the responses that I saw on people's profiles were actually about Honest Cash (HC).  Personally I'm interested in seeing all the discussions about (HC).  I could just bookmark #HonestCash but this doesn't display the responses either, which was going to be my next request.  

Also, when you say "clutter"… it seems like you're under the impression that responses are going to be lower quality than posts.  Maybe this will generally be the case, but on Medium I've seen quite a few substantial responses.  Most of my responses are pretty substantial.  

Here on HC we should see a much higher percentage of substantial responses, given that we can actually spend our money on them.  

I trust that the process of all of us spending our money on the best posts/responses will produce a large quantity of quality content.  In other words, I trust the market.  

But it's not like I can point you to some huge website where everybody is already spending their money on the best content.  I can point you to Facebook, Twitter and Reddit… but on all those websites everybody is just giving a "thumbs up" to the best content.  What rises to the top isn't cream, it's crap.  Well, at least from my perspective.  

I believe that HC will be different… wonderfully different.


RE: RE: RE: Show Responses In Feed Please

by @anarchovegan

Wow! What a detailed response!

I'm reminded of how another responded to me.

It's not a huge deal to me either way :)

At least not right now ;)

I'm glad this site is more usable than it was.

And certainly, having responses in the feed would be better than right now… where's there's nothing at all, not even notifications!

I looked over your response in greater detail (and I wrote more out too), as I want to give you the likewise credence and care that you gave in your response.

I'm on Cent now. Thank you :) 
(I love it when this stuff happens -- it's how I've found Weku and other sites.)

Hm. It uses ETH. And I don't have a wallet set up.
I've been very suspicious of ETH.
It's built on mobile stuff and crashes easily, right?

How do you compare and think about HC in relation to the following?
1. Steemit.com / Weku.io (They're nearly identical)
2. Minds.com
3. Yours.org
4. Matter.cash
5. Memo.cash


Market Websites VS Democratic Websites

by @Xerographica

It's cool that you joined Cent and gave it a try.  Don't get discouraged by the knuckleheads, as I tried to explain in this post we can really benefit from being able to test the different features on that website and this one.  I love how willing you are to try different platforms!  

Regarding your question about ETH, I really don't have any idea, I'm super ignorant about crypto. So far I know that it's rather crazy how much ETH seems to fluctuate in value.  But I guess this is the same for all cryptos.  Honestly I'm still kinda *distrustful* of crypto, yet I'm super thrilled that it has helped facilitate the creation of a site like HC.  

Regarding how HC compares to the sites that you listed, if you read my post linked to above, or my post about the economics of music, you should know that I really hate voting/democracy.  

At first I thought that Steemit was just like Reddit but with spending instead of voting, and I was super excited, but I was soooo wrong.  I posted about it here… The Economics of Steemit.  

HC using the terminology "upvotes" but we don't actually vote… we spend.  We have the wonderful opportunity to put our money where our mouth is.  

Basically, HC is a market website while Steemit is a democratic website… like Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and all the other websites where the content is ranked by votes (cheap talk).  Minds.com is also a democratic website.  

I only just recently learned about Yours.org and it seems to be a market website, but it looks like it really sucks.  There's content on its homepage, which is a good thing, but it's basically people begging for money.  By default the content is sorted by "Hot".  Not sure what that means but the default sorting should be "Top".

One issue is that it seems like the content can only have one tag… just like on Cent… which is really stupid.  

Another issue is that there are tips AND "votes" (not really votes).   It doesn't make sense why there would be both.

Also, on this post, the founder has "voted" for it 8 times.  A few years ago in this Medium post I illustrated how it might work if tipping a Youtube video (Geppetto by Optiganally Yours) was as easy as voting for it…

If lots of people are clicking the 25 cent button very many times, it makes sense to add a 50 cent button.  If they also click that button very many times, then it makes sense to add a $1 dollar button.  

Or, maybe it makes more sense for people to simply enter the amount that they want to spend, like how it works on Cent.  

The *big* issue with Yours and Cent and HC is that their founders created market websites without fully appreciating just how useful markets truly are.  Basically, none of these founders thought to use their markets to help prioritize their website's development.  This means that they are implementing features in the wrong order, but not to the same degree.  The founders themselves aren't equally good at prioritizing.  

In my post about determining the importance of things I gave an example of how you included four suggestions in a post.  Of course it's convenient for you to bundle suggestions, but this prevents us from seeing the actual demand for each of your suggestions.  The four suggestions that you made aren't equally important to you, or to me, or to anybody else.  Bundled suggestions prevent the market from revealing the relative importance of each suggestion.    

I tried, and failed, to explain this on Cent.  One of the knuckleheads created a post for people to share their top three requests.  Each reply is a bundle of three requests, and the replies were sorted by voting.   We can see how many people request a feature, so we can see how popular it is, but we can't see how valuable/beneficial/important/useful/necessary/relevant it is.  

If Cent uses cheap-talk surveys (democracy) to prioritize its development, while HC uses the market to prioritize its development, then the two websites are going to develop very very very differently.  HC is going to be far more useful to its members than Cent is.  

I just took a look at Matter.cash and there's content on its homepage, which is good, but it's sorted by newest, which isn't so good.  As a new visitor the first thing that I want to see is the website's most valuable content.  Except that website doesn't show how valuable a post is.  I clicked on a post and it gives me the option to tip it, but it doesn't display how much the post has been tipped.  So stupid.  

Now I'm looking at Memo.cash and there isn't any content on its homepage, which is dumb.  I click on "View Recent Activity" and… I'm seeing… replies/comments/responses?  There doesn't seem to be the option to sort them by value.  I scroll down and see this reply.  John Doe asks if it's possible to follow a tag and Memo responds that it isn't currently possible but it is planned.  Again, another founder who doesn't understand the immense importance of using their market to prioritize development.  

I scroll down further and find… you!  

Today I saw your post about not needing government.  The only problem with government is that taxpayers can't choose where their taxes go.  Taxpayers don't have this freedom because people don't understand the importance of their valuations.  Here on HC does it matter how much you value your request for the ability to delete posts?  Yeah, of course it matters!!!  

So what happens if HC proves that our valuations matter?  Then the only problem with government will be solved.  

HC's potential is so huge that it's hard to fully fathom.  It isn't just about having a website where the cream rises to the top, which in itself is awesome, it's also about a future where countries develop according to their citizens' real priorities.  

So to summarize, market websites are better than democratic websites because our valuations matter.  But not all the market websites are equally good at, or interested in, figuring out their members' valuations.  Whichever market website is the best at this, will win.  It will naturally provide its members with the most value.


Honest Isn't Better Than Cent For Everyone

by @anarchovegan

On memo

Hi Xerographica :)

Thank you so much for your reply!

It blew my mind. I wrote my first impression about it on Yours.
(Ok that's weird now I can copy-paste the content from Honest to Yours this time. And the formatting is proper. Whaaaa?)

Some of what I'm saying here I've said on that post.
This is the summarized and cleaned up version.
Posting this to all three - Honest, Yours, Cent - maximizes interactivity and exploration of the formats, as well as potential earnings. 

I agree with you, Xero, to "ignore the knuckleheads"; I said pretty much the same to Ed.
I recommend you apply that logic to Yours as well:
"I only just recently learned about Yours.org and it seems to be a market website, but it looks like it really sucks. There's content on its homepage, which is a good thing, but it's basically people begging for money. By default the content is sorted by "Hot". Not sure what that means but the default sorting should be "Top"."

"we can really benefit from being able to test the different features on that website and this one. I love how willing you are to try different platforms!"

I completely agree. The more awareness we, users, as well as the developers, have, of each of the platforms, the more examples, variations, and experimentation can be done, speeding up innovation, and creating incentives to further and faster improve to retain a/the user base: variety and competition is the spice of life.

That's the base idea as to why I'm so willing to try new platforms.
The other is that I have my own idea as to what kind of social network I'd like to have and use, which for a while I called "Social Wiki", where you have the same deep linking as Wikipedia, with the social features of facebook. 

These new social networks put that onto an entirely different level that I wasn't expecting - via the integration of peer-to-peer micro-payments. Our social and financial world is going through an unprecedented (and sorely needed) complete revolution and evolution of thought, design, and style of interaction - they're integrating together!

And that's the other part. We have so many deep and pressing issues, that if we DON'T innovate as fast as we can, things aren't looking too good socially, or financially, globally.

So, we have two opposite and equal pressures pointing in the same direction.

The ideal and dream we're (I'm) aiming for is permissionless open-source hardware and software 3D-printed (as part of or an add-on to) self-recyclable tablet-phone to create new hardward/software configurations that you can download and reconfigured on a Skycoin-like (or perhaps that's the Skycoin phone, dunno) peer-to-peer internet, that is decentralized, cannot be controlled or censored, global "torrent"ing Web 3.0 (or whatever number) interface, where we're not just talking about the details of how the economic code of which Bitcoin/crypto variation we're using, but also how the physical components relate to the mix. 

It shouldn't be just Elon Musk talking these details.
 (That's not the specific video I'm thinking about, but I hope you get my meaning.) It shouldn't just be the Venus Project clique.

Here's a Castbox audio recording I did about this idea:

https://castbox.fm/vb/120116075

What Yours got right is that the voting and payment system is functional and smooth. You might not be fond of how it's comparatively limited in contrast with Cent, but I find it's certainly more functional so far than Honest (in my experience so far).

Your focus on the feature comparisons, to combine them with the micro-payments, is genius (imo). 

The confusion between audience type - whether you're talking directly to me or to people in general on any of the sites - threw and is throwing me for a loop.
You already did what I thought I was going to do first -- you cross-posted your content to both Cent and Honest -- but you were speaking to me.
That's bizarre and fascinating. I'm not saying I don't like it. I do. 

It just adds to the trippy nature of the whole thing. 
And I'm doing the same thing ;)

Yes, I appreciate the notification feature on Cent.
However, since Honest has email notifications enabled (although annoying), I can use those as a relay, currently. It's not what I'd prefer, but it works.
I was at first confused by your statement of my "bundling" - I put number in front of them to designate their importance -- being able to delete posts being the biggest feature I want. (Then again, I'm starting to reconsider; I think notifications would be a better one first now.)

I'm having trouble figuring out what my response would be (besides that I think it's a cool new idea), as this type of voting concept is new to my and I haven't put much thought to it yet.

The main thing I could comment on, would be regarding, 

"Maybe it will help to borrow the wording from the second article… the proof of dog quality is in the owning, which can take years to determine. Owning a rottweiler puppy isn’t the same thing as owning a full grown rottweiler.

If you’re going to get a dog then naturally before you do so you should be able to easily tap into society’s vast dog experience and knowledge. Therefore… democracy?"

Namely, the issue of slavery in regard to owning dogs. However, that's a side-issue to the basic idea being presented. A helpful way to sidestep this so we're not on that kind of tangent would be to talk of, for instance, variations of Android or iPhone variations.

So, to get to the crux of the issue - "therefore, democracy?" No.
Each person is not being told which iPhone/Android they'll get via collective decision-making. Instead, they are tapping in to collective awareness with the voting system to better decide what might be the best fit for them. A larger sampling and experience pool. 

It is voluntary.

I think you're right to focus on the comparison money voting.
I think that will be the key to exponential valuable improvements, to ANY social network platform.

I disagree with choosing either Honest.cash or Cent.io over the other as being better. I prefer Honest.cash per the infinite reply system (and now infinite editing) that mirrors memo (memo inherently doesn't have editing), something that I myself was trying to create a number of years back, unsuccessfully.
Others, prefer Cent. There are good reasons for both, depending on your preferences. mael, for example, clearly prefers Cent.


"I believe that HC will be different... wonderfully different."

by @anarchovegan